they're not working on debt, the debt ceiling, immigration. they're working on this one little fight. it's out of convenience for both sides. the democrats going on a three-week campaign tour for obama care instead of just dealing with the hard legislative work they need to do down there right now? >> i'll take that trade. to avoid a shutdown -- >> i'll take the trade. i'll take the trade. i'll take obama care if i'm a democrat down there in washington, i take the problems with obama care over negotiating with you as a republican about the debt ceiling. i take it. i think i'm on better ground. you know why in the health care system as it exists in this country, as anybody knows, stinks. if you can't be better than that with obama care, you're going to get out thereof anyway. >> but if everything is a negative cycle, all politics is simply about attacking the other guy and not figuring out a way to -- >> what breaks the cycle? >> better ideas. you and i will be running, i'll be doing this game, you'll have have an idea that resonates with the v